NTSC instead of PAL

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Been playing but have a problem.
Burns end up being NTSC MPEG 1 instead of PAL MPEG 2.
Why & how is this changed?
TIA :Bow:

[Microburn]

Hi :)
Been playing but have a problem.
Burns end up being NTSC MPEG 1 instead of PAL MPEG 2.
Why & how is this changed?
TIA :Bow:

I keep on forgetting your across the pond its weird nobody that I know of has had this problem and I take it all the movies do this to you??

and of course if they record in NTSC they will not play in your dvd player I am stumped.

the program should automatically read and compress in the pal format of your movie this is the very first time I have seen this problem....McT has no problems and he is in the uk too.

I wish I had the answers.:frown:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Yep damn brits.:giggle:
It's an oldish DVD but large file so good for reference when ripping/compressing. :tounge:

[Microburn]

Hi :)
Yep damn brits.:giggle:
It's an oldish DVD but large file so good for reference when ripping/compressing. :tounge:

are all of your movies doing this ??

[McstylisT]

Bilbo , when you use DNC are you using it with anydvd. ?? or the machinist.dll driver. All my backups have come out region free from using anydvd. I have not had any problems like this. ??? But i cant say whether they are NTSC or not as they play fine. I will check one of my backups. I will get back too you. :speak_cool:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
I've tried both AnyDVD & the machinist. No difference. :frown:

[Microburn]

Bilbo , when you use DNC are you using it with anydvd. ?? or the machinist.dll driver. All my backups have come out region free from using anydvd. I have not had any problems like this. ??? But i cant say whether they are NTSC or not as they play fine. I will check one of my backups. I will get back too you. :speak_cool:

Thanks MCT!!:speak_cool:

[McstylisT]

Right. Just placed one of my back-ups that i made with DNC into my system. Here is what my anydvd info displayed.

PAL - AND REGION FREE ???

Are your anydvd settings set to region 2. ????

And are you using Vista for this. ???

Thanks.

McT :speak_cool:

[Microburn]

also uninstall the machnist2 plugin with anydvd running there is no need for it and it can cause some issues using DNC.:)

[McstylisT]

Ok i just tested another backup that was made with DNC. This time i found something.

As stated by Bilbo the burned DVD is in NTSC format. But the movie plays fine for me in all my players and computer. ??

But it is weird why it burns it as this format. I will have a good look through the settings. ??:thinking::thinking:

[Microburn]

Ok i just tested another backup that was made with DNC. This time i found something.

As stated by Bilbo the burned DVD is in NTSC format. But the movie plays fine for me in all my players and computer. ??

But it is weird why it burns it as this format. I will have a good look through the settings. ??:thinking::thinking:

Thank you MCT I have no way of testing for this as I have no pal format moviesI wish I could help!!:frown:

[Charlie]

I'm just glad Bilbo has a key along with McstylisT. As they can see things and help get fixes as they acquire due to them living in region 2.

[Microburn]

I'm just glad Bilbo has a key along with McstylisT. As they can see things and help get fixes as they acquire due to them living in region 2.

I am very happy To have our friends from across the pond that is a great asset and we appreciate all the input both of you guys come up with!!


Thank You!!:Bow: :Bow: :Bow:

[zebadee]

also uninstall the machnist2 plugin with anydvd running there is no need for it and it can cause some issues using DNC.:)

Hi :)
I haven't run both, it's been one or the other.:speak_cool:
Machinisit is now uninstalled & back to AnyDVD.:agree:
I did at one point have both & this did affect the speed of rip/compress & write. Resilting in my uninstall/reinstall of DNC without machinist.dll.

[McstylisT]

No problem guys. We are all in this together. Knowledge is to be shared so everyone can learn and understand.

I pretty much stumbled across this as it was Bilbo who reported this problem. Due to the fact i use anydvd i was not effected. But it could if a user is only using the machinist driver. I am not 100% sure yet. I am going to do some testing now over the next few days with the machinist and anydvd to see if its only on some tittles or all. ??? It maybe a Sony protected tittle that makes the movie burn in NTSC or something .. ??? as i showed one was PAL .. ???

Give me time. I will look into this guys. :speak_cool:

[Charlie]

Thanks as you and Bilbo are the PAL pioneers that I know for sure, and your testing will always pay off in my book as when or if there is an upgrade you'll always be set. Hint Hint :agree: :giggle:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
I don't think it's related but running Vista. latest AnyDVD with default settings.
Had no problems in this area with any other s/w.
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N.B. Although not needed all my drives have rpc1 f/w too.

[Charlie]

Although not needed all my drives have rpc1 f/w too.

Could this be why then?

[zebadee]

Although not needed all my drives have rpc1 f/w too.

Could this be why then?

Hi :)
I think it unlikely. It never has in the past.
Also McstylisT has had this experience now too. His drives are region set (2).
So although possible I believe this not to be a consideration in the problem.

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Something of note is that if I take the DNC copy & rip to HD using AnyDVD's ripper. It not only does this but also corrects file format to PAL MPEG 2. So that any burns from this (HD file) to DVD is also PAL MPEG 2.

[Charlie]

Hi :)
Something of note is that if I take the DNC copy & rip to HD using AnyDVD's ripper. It not only does this but also corrects file format to PAL MPEG 2. So that any burns from this (HD file) to DVD is also PAL MPEG 2.

So the NTSC format is due to using 2 drives then?

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
Something of note is that if I take the DNC copy & rip to HD using AnyDVD's ripper. It not only does this but also corrects file format to PAL MPEG 2. So that any burns from this (HD file) to DVD is also PAL MPEG 2.


Interesting Zeb. Maybe because in this method anydvd is doing the structuring so it changed it to the users region set options. This makes me think the problem is embedded in the burn engine of DNC ??? what do you think. ??

Update: Just checked through the rest of my latest backups made with DNC and they are all NTSC format. Only that other one i posted was PAL. ?? Why ,,, i dont know. But the problem is the same as yours bilbo.

I am doing one now. !! LOTR 3 ..... see what happens. :)

[zebadee]

So the NTSC format is due to using 2 drives then?

Hi :)
No I don't believe so.
AnyDVD rips the DNC copy(DVD). But detects a file format error (as I'm PAL not NTSC) & sets about correcting this before 'completing' the rip. So the file on HD is 'PAL' etc.
I will try DNC to HD & DNC using one DVDRW to see if anything different occurs.
I may be gone for sometime. :giggle:

[Charlie]

Go ahead I think it's slow everywhere today all you can try and find will limit them asking me to ask you to try this or that. :)

[Charlie]

Thanks guys.

[McstylisT]

Right. I have just done LOTR 3 full backup with allot of compression. It completed and burned the tittle. The burned DVD showed up as NTSC format again ... Using anydvd as well. This was memorex DVD-R media. i will try a +R dvd and see what happens. :mad:

[Microburn]

Right. I have just done LOTR 3 full backup with allot of compression. It completed and burned the tittle. The burned DVD showed up as NTSC format again ... Using anydvd as well. This was memorex DVD-R media. i will try a +R dvd and see what happens. :mad:

Cool thank You!!!:Bow:

[McstylisT]

Ok this is only an initial test but it seems when you use DVD-R the burn engine changes the out put format to NTSC. I did two identical burns on the exact same two drives and only thing that was changed was the media format. The media ID was CMC MAG crap on both so very similar burns.

The latest +R burn was fine and showed as a PAL version burn. But the prior DVD-R showed as NTSC.

So why does the burn engine do this to -R media. Very Very odd.

Bilbo, if you have any +R media please try a burn on both formats. Just to confirm this theory in more than one region2 users machine.

Thanks. :speak_cool:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
OK. Have tried DNC > HD > DVD end product NTSC MPEG 1.
....................DNC > BenQ 1655 > BenQ 1655 end product as above.
....................DNC > Plextor 760 > Lite-On LH-20A1P as above.
All the above tried @ normal/max.sharp/max.fluid. All with the same result.
Media used RitekG05 ****.

[Charlie]

Yes if you both have the same results then this will pin point the issue on the software. Keep up the good work you to. :speak_cool:

[Charlie]

Ok this is only an initial test but it seems when you use DVD-R the burn engine changes the out put format to NTSC. I did two identical burns on the exact same two drives and only thing that was changed was the media format. The media ID was CMC MAG crap on both so very similar burns.

The latest +R burn was fine and showed as a PAL version burn. But the prior showed as NTSC.

So why does the burn engine do this to -R media. Very Very odd.

Bilbo, if you have any +R media please try a burn on both formats. Just to confirm this theory in more than one region2 users machine.

Thanks. :speak_cool:

Bilbo can you try this and confirm yes or no on the same results please?

[zebadee]

Hi :)
It's a no here.
BenQ 1655 the source.
Lite-On LH-20A1P the writer.
YUDEN000 T03 the media.
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/73/sshot73ww0.th.png (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot73ww0.png)

[Charlie]

Well it was a shot in the dark, thanks for trying. I was really hoping that you got the same though as it would of been easier to get a fix. Anyhow I will direct this thread to be seen so they know. :Bow:

[McstylisT]

This morning i also did a DVD+RW backup of the exact same tittle of the other 3 tests. It came out PAL as expected. Now it seems that on my system when i use + format it burns as PAL but -R always shows NTSC.

But after all the testing, i have no way of a work around or a solution for you bilbo. My work around shall be to use only + media for the time being.

Try a +RW and see what happens Zeb. :speak_cool:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Would if I could!
My PC was stolen recently (for a second time). Now have new new setup.:agree:
Yesterday on realising that all drives needed to be bitset to DVD-Rom, I did so.
Now I find I can write to DVD-R but not DVD+R. See attached.
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/618/sshot75mo7.th.png (http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot75mo7.png)
I have uninstalled/reinstalled program.
Tried all combinations of drives + the single drive & double drive approach.
All with the same affect.
Appears to write, finalises & ejects disc. Disc is blank, still. :question_mark:
Mind you if I could do backups that quick. :cool

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Now I'm stuffed.
Since bitsetting my drives, DNC sees them, reads/rips/compresses. Then appears to write to them, but doesn't.
If I reverse bitseting, the writing returns but NTSC Mpeg1. :thinking:

[Charlie]

Thanks for the extra effort and information to pass on. :Bow:

[McstylisT]

This is getting really odd Zebs. I can now confirm with the amount of 10 burns that anything with +R or +RW on it, even if the drive auto bitsets will come out as a burn in PAL. But any burn made on a -R or -RW format for some reason defaults it to NTSC.

I can not find any thing that effects the out come. I have changed the anydvd settings, the DNC settings, and even shut down a few programs but nothing changes it.

But in your case it does it every time. !! lol ... This could start to get annoying for sure.

Hang in there Zeb, im sure Charlie will bring this to the attention of the software team and maybe get us an answer or a update. :agree::agree::speak_cool:

[Charlie]

Yes I have and it will just take a bit of time to receive an answer. I hope to have a bide your time answer by for you two tonight. Thanks for all of your hard testings and wasted media to try to resolve this. I hope that you two did enough that they won't ask me to ask you. :)

[McstylisT]

Yes I have and it will just take a bit of time to receive an answer. I hope to have a bide your time answer by for you two tonight. Thanks for all of your hard testings and wasted media to try to resolve this. I hope that you two did enough that they won't ask me to ask you. :)


Excellent Charlie. I appreciate you passing this on. I am willing to do any extra tests or changes that are instructed by neXT COPY to help solve or combat this.

The only difference is that Zeb has it on all his media .... lol - not good.

Where as my problem only lies with -R media. :agree::agree:

Cheers mate.

[McstylisT]

Another thing i just realised. Zebs is using Vista and i am using Xp. This is why our results are different. Vista seems to make the program convert all files to NTSC. While in XP its just the -R that do it. ... weird ... :thinking::sad::question_mark::tounge:

[Charlie]

Another thing i just realised. Zebs is using Vista and i am using Xp. This is why our results are different. Vista seems to make the program convert all files to NTSC. While in XP its just the -R that do it. ... weird ... :thinking::sad::question_mark::tounge:

If he still has XP on another HDD he might want to try this out and see then.

[McstylisT]

If he still has XP on another HDD he might want to try this out and see then.

Yeah Zeb, Charlie's right. "IF" you do have XP on another drive or partition then just test it out on that with a + and a - formats.

But if you dont have the option then dont worry. We will just have to wait and see if DNC can come up with anything. :agree:

[McstylisT]

Ok i have the same problem as Zebadee now.

I tested at least 10 burns as shown in this thread and all my +R were fine and came out PAL.

I just burned the GRUDGE 2 using the pioneer 112L with KOBA 8.09 firmware which auto bitsets and it came out NTSC !!! WTF !!

I am starting to think it has something to do with what drive i was using as all the tests i did to find answers were burned in the lite-on 20x drive. The pioneer seem to have the same effect when using all media. ????

:speak_cool: NOT !!!:mad::wall::wall::wall::oops:stupid

[Charlie]

Thanks for the update. It is being looked into. :)

[McstylisT]

Thanks Charlie. I know you have brought this to DNC's attention for us. Many thanks.


But just to inform you that the backups that show NTSC play great. They have no visual or audio problems that i am aware of. They seem no different during playing. So this "could" also be just an error. ?? As it may be pal but it just shows NTSC.

I am going to do a few burns later with the machinist driver and see if they come out NTSC and if they play. ??? as we are thinking anydvd is making the backups region free. But will it work without anydvd running. ?? i will find out later tonight and report back here.

Cheers. :speak_cool:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
I don't have XP currently. So unfortunately can't try that. I have set one of my drives region code to 2, to see if that had any effect. It didn't.
Plus the recordings I've made that say NTSC Mpeg1 are just that otherwise my standalone would play them. Which it doesn't. It actually comes up with an error code. The meaning of which I've now found out is 'wrong format/region or both'.

[Charlie]

Hi :)
I don't have XP currently. So unfortunately can't try that. I have set one of my drives region code to 2, to see if that had any effect. It didn't.
Plus the recordings I've made that say NTSC Mpeg1 are just that otherwise my standalone would play them. Which it doesn't. It actually comes up with an error code. The meaning of which I've now found out is 'wrong format/region or both'.

The software has a personality and it also just doesn't like you.....:naanaa: That's alright they are looking in on it. They are trying out some region 2 PAL drives and discs as we speak and documenting the results, I just hope I can here more on this sometime this week.

[McstylisT]

That would be really great Charlie. Hopefully they can give us a little more info on why this is happening.


But i must admit as i stated in my previous post, the movies still play great. They do not have any type of problems from the ones i have watched so far.
So anyone who is UK based, please dont worry about this as a fix is forth coming , but this does not effect the quality of a backup anyway. Well from the burns i have made. :giggle:

[Charlie]

That would be really great Charlie. Hopefully they can give us a little more info on why this is happening.


But i must admit as i stated in my previous post, the movies still play great. They do not have any type of problems from the ones i have watched so far.
So anyone who is UK based, please dont worry about this as a fix is forth coming , but this does not effect the quality of a backup anyway. Well from the burns i have made. :giggle:

Yes it is a personal attack just to zeb. :)

[zebadee]

Hi :)
My Toshiba standalone was top of the range in it's day. With a list price of almost £1000.
I bought it in a sale once it was discontinued for about £300.
But I guess if I got a £30 job at the loacl supermarket it would play all & sundry. :agree:
But I realise that this is personal. :naanaa:

[Charlie]

Hi :)
My Toshiba standalone was top of the range in it's day. With a list price of almost £1000.
I bought it in a sale once it was discontinued for about £300.
But I guess if I got a £30 job at the loacl supermarket it would play all & sundry. :agree:
But I realise that this is personal. :naanaa:

LOL I wasn't serious and hope you saw that. :)

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Charlie I realise that it was a joke on your behalf. :speak_cool:
But I'm not (am I?). :naanaa:
Probably. :cool

[McstylisT]

Guys, i am going to try the machinist driver now, so i will be back shortly. Hopefully we can shed some light here. :speak_cool:

[McstylisT]

Right, i just burned a copy of the Grudge2. I disabled anydvd and installed the machinist2 driver. I encoded the movie and burned onto some crappy media. The results are exactly the same. ???
The burned movie shows as NTSC still, but here is the WTF part, it plays on all the players in the house. Also when anydvd was re-activated it showed the burned movie as "region fee" as anydvd does. ??!!

So whats up with this. I was under the impression that the machinist driver would not make a backup region free. But someone please correct me if im making a complete fool of myself and it does. lol !!

So it makes not difference using anydvd. Its just a slower process using the machinist2 thats all.

All this points for me to believe there is no problem with the disc. It is a reported fault or something. Not an actual problem.. ???

What do you think guys . ???? :biggrin::biggrin::frown:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
WTF? That's what! :giggle:

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
WTF? That's what! :giggle:

lol !!! :cop::cop: i mean "what the flip" :wink::giggle:

[Vinman]

lol !!! :cop::cop: i mean "what the flip" :wink::giggle: I think your right and its something in the coding process thats making it read that way even though its not

[rogriv]

I think your right and its something in the coding process thats making it read that way even though its not

I find that anything I burn from an NTSC (known here [in AUS] technical circles as 'Never Twice the Same Colour'!) original stays in that format, but of course modern players/TV sets are able to process them so that the colour is there when using PAL equipment.

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Just to update, still the same scenario with latest DNC.
Can't get away from NTSC. :help: :thinking:

[Charlie]

I'll check the status of their findings zebadee.

[Charlie]

Just so you know it is still in progress and seeing if it is happening on their end. :)

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
Just to update, still the same scenario with latest DNC.
Can't get away from NTSC. :help: :thinking:


Me too Zebs. I have noticed a slight difference now after watching the movies burned as NTSC. They have a brighter look but something is very different after fully watching a couple of the movies. The PAL burned copys give me the impression i am involved in the movie, where as NTSC seems a little distant if this makes sense. :giggle::giggle:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
I'm not sure how factual, but Mpeg1 shouldn't be as reolute as Mpeg.
So with NTSC Mpeg1 vs PAL Mpeg2. The end result should be a fuller experience. Although as you've found becuase of the difference Mpeg 1 (due in part to a more stark contrast) can appear to have an edge or sharpness that is lacking in Mpeg 2. This is an illussion & with prolonged viewing Mpeg 2 should show its class. :agree:

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
I'm not sure how factual, but Mpeg1 shouldn't be as reolute as Mpeg.
So with NTSC Mpeg1 vs PAL Mpeg2. The end result should be a fuller experience. Although as you've found becuase of the difference Mpeg 1 (due in part to a more stark contrast) can appear to have an edge or sharpness that is lacking in Mpeg 2. This is an illussion & with prolonged viewing Mpeg 2 should show its class. :agree:


Thats for the excellent info Zebadee. I was under the impression that Mpeg2 was better but when having a glimps at some of these NTSC burned tittles they looked fine. But as posted when i watched a few fully the magic was missing. Nice and bright and colorful but no magic...... lol !!!

I hope this can be sorted soon. Its hit or miss, sometimes i get PAL and sometimes NTSC ....

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Just to keep you all in the loop.
Currently DNC will make copies from originals & backups. Full or movie only.
When writing to - media to final disc is for some reason NSTC instead of PAL.
When writing to + media although writing appears to take place, it doesn't. The fianl disc remains blanc. This didn't happen the 1st time, but as the final disc was DVD+R. I decided to bitset to DVD-Rom. Now even if I bitset back the writing doesn't take place.
Although McT has had similar results. I have to say that there is not just something wrong with DNC.
There has to be something about my setup too.
I have found out that my stand alone player should play NTSC discs.
Instead it comes up with disc error - check disc - check format - check region.
It looks very much like although appearing as NTSC according to AnyDVD it could be still PAL.
So what I'm wondering is it possible that the disc is finalising as NTSC even though the 'bulk' of the disc remains PAL.
When using my PC PowerDVD indentifies dsic as PAL. :thinking: :help: :confused:

[Microburn]

Hi :)
Just to keep you all in the loop.
Currently DNC will make copies from originals & backups. Full or movie only.
When writing to - media to final disc is for some reason NSTC instead of PAL.
When writing to + media although writing appears to take place, it doesn't. The fianl disc remains blanc. This didn't happen the 1st time, but as the final disc was DVD+R. I decided to bitset to DVD-Rom. Now even if I bitset back the writing doesn't take place.
Although McT has had similar results. I have to say that there is not just something wrong with DNC.
There has to be something about my setup too.
I have found out that my stand alone player should play NTSC discs.
Instead it comes up with disc error - check disc - check format - check region.
It looks very much like although appearing as NTSC according to AnyDVD it could be still PAL.
So what I'm wondering is it possible that the disc is finalising as NTSC even though the 'bulk' of the disc remains PAL.
When using my PC PowerDVD indentifies dsic as PAL. :thinking: :help: :confused:

that is a possiblity Charlie will make sure this is passed on to DNC.

[McstylisT]

I also think it "could" be just a report error in some cases as i posted earlier in the thread.

But listen to this, I just finished doing Apocalypto using anydvd as normal. I used a custom project and selected only the movie and menus. I burned @ 12x with the Pioneers 112L on a DVD-R TYG03 media and the result was perfect on all my players and it also showed in anydvd as PAL !!! :agree::agree:

I am going to dig out a few other tittle and use some different drives. I will have a couple more results for you all tonight. :speak_cool:

[Charlie]

Not 100% sure zebadee, as the media scanning ordeal is you and Mcstylist's department. :) The info will get passed on.

[McstylisT]

Ok i am now getting a head ache as this is all coming out perfectly.

I used different reading drives for each tittle and different burners.

I did the following:

1- Apocalypto with Pioneer 112L @ 12x DVD-R TYG03 = PAL

2- Valiant with the LG 42N @ 12x DVD+R YudenT03 = PAL

3- Frozen Land with Sony DRU830a @ 12x DVD-R MCC03RG20 = PAL

So all 3 of my tests came back correct and totally the opporsite from what i have been getting over the past month .... WTF is going on !!! someone is playing tricks on me .... lol !! :tounge::tounge:

I am now doing a higher compression movie with yet another burner. Lord of the rings 2, The two towers full DVD project. Burned on some crappy CMC MAG media @ 16x with the Liteon-201AP. Maybe it will show something .... otherwise i am stumped !!!!

Just to make you aware i also did a fresh install of XP when i upgraded my system a few days back. I did not test since this point only really now as i have been busy at work. So it could have been a conflict on my system or even the upgrade to DNC that has helped to fix this ... ????

Anyway i will continue to test and see if i can repeat this problem. :giggle:

Cheers ..

McT:wink:

[Charlie]

Ok i am now getting a head ache as this is all coming out perfectly.

I used different reading drives for each tittle and different burners.

I did the following:

1- Apocalypto with Pioneer 112L @ 12x DVD-R TYG03 = PAL

2- Valiant with the LG 42N @ 12x DVD+R YudenT03 = PAL

3- Frozen Land with Sony DRU830a @ 12x DVD-R MCC03RG20 = PAL

So all 3 of my tests came back correct and totally the opporsite from what i have been getting over the past month .... WTF is going on !!! someone is playing tricks on me .... lol !! :tounge::tounge:

I am now doing a higher compression movie with yet another burner. Lord of the rings 2, The two towers full DVD project. Burned on some crappy CMC MAG media @ 16x with the Liteon-201AP. Maybe it will show something .... otherwise i am stumped !!!!

Just to make you aware i also did a fresh install of XP when i upgraded my system a few days back. I did not test since this point only really now as i have been busy at work. So it could have been a conflict on my system or even the upgrade to DNC that has helped to fix this ... ????

Anyway i will continue to test and see if i can repeat this problem. :giggle:

Cheers ..

McT:wink:

:crack :oops :smack:

Keep up the good work who knows really? I wished I was in PAL region country to at least help out but this one is out of my hands since I am in the states. :frown:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Interesting input there.
Well I'm not reformatting or anything like.
But I do have suspicions that Windows or an update to my setup has produced some if not all the problems.
But why DNC?
All my other s/w seems unaffected.
:frown: :confused: :doh:

[Microburn]

well if MCT can not reproduce this problem now I would maybe say it has more to do with the Vista OS that zeb is using this is frustrating as heck there has to be an explaination.

I am sure it will be found.

Thank you Both for all the testing and help!!:speak_cool: :speak_cool:

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
Interesting input there.
Well I'm not reformatting or anything like.
But I do have suspicions that Windows or an update to my setup has produced some if not all the problems.
But why DNC?
All my other s/w seems unaffected.
:frown: :confused: :doh:


I just dont know what to say mate. I mean it must have been something to do with DNC as we both experienced this problem (you much worse than me) and we were using different OS systems, burners and firmware. This must be more than just coincidence ????? :wink:

Be back shortly. Having my evening dinner.... lol:giggle:

[McstylisT]

Right my 4th test result is complete.

Again i remind you all of what i did.

I did LOTR2 the two towers , full DVD backup with default settings in DNC. I used anydvd as my decrypter.

I used the 20x liteon drive to burn some poor CMC MAG media @ 16x.

IT CAME OUT PAL !!!!! AND PLAYED AND LOOKED GREAT..... :crack:crack:crack

So for the moment i cannot re-produce this with any media or drive .. I will continue to test as this is bugging me and i need an answer ... :help:

[Microburn]

zeb just on the off chance what are you using on Vista for antivirus and is it disabled when you copy a movie??

maybe something to do with it I have had a few problems with some of the new antivirus programs causing me minor issues Just a thought .:thinking: :thinking:

[McstylisT]

zeb just on the off chance what are you using on Vista for antivirus and is it disabled when you copy a movie??

maybe something to do with it I have had a few problems with some of the new antivirus programs causing me minor issues Just a thought .:thinking: :thinking:


Good point Micro. Very very good point. :agree::agree:


Zebs, before i re-installed my XP and upgrades i was having trouble with my Norton internet security activation do you remember. I then spoke to you and some others about the best free solutions. I ended up using AVAST and ZONEALARM and they were fine. However upon re-install i decided to try Norton again .... and it worked and activated fine ,,, ???? so now i have switched back to Norton as i had about 150 days of my product left. This could be relevant... ??

I also changed my IDE drivers lately too. I was using the Abit Nforce4 Ultra ones that came with my MOBO, but i had some problems burning so i un-installed only the IDE drivers and use the standard windows ones now. Just thought you should know.

Thanks again Micro for jogging my mind .... :wink::wink:

[Microburn]

Good point Micro. Very very good point. :agree::agree:


Zebs, before i re-installed my XP and upgrades i was having trouble with my Norton internet security activation do you remember. I then spoke to you and some others about the best free solutions. I ended up using AVAST and ZONEALARM and they were fine. However upon re-install i decided to try Norton again .... and it worked and activated fine ,,, ???? so now i have switched back to Norton as i had about 150 days of my product left. This could be relevant... ??

I also changed my IDE drivers lately too. I was using the Abit Nforce4 Ultra ones that came with my MOBO, but i had some problems burning so i un-installed only the IDE drivers and use the standard windows ones now. Just thought you should know.

Thanks again Micro for jogging my mind .... :wink::wink:

It was only a thought because I have experinced problems with vista and some antivirus programs it may hold the key to the problem I hope!!:biggrin:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
See my sig!
Avast SpywareTerminator(Using the Clam A/V) Both programs running at same time.

[Microburn]

Hi :)
See my sig!
Avast SpywareTerminator(Using the Clam A/V) Both programs running at same time.

I must be blind sorry have you tried disabling these two programs to see if it makes any difference in the final output?

[McstylisT]

Ok here is my final test tonight.:giggle:


I decided to go with a older tittle for the testing purpose.

I chose SPIDERMAN the first movie. I just did a full dvd back-up again with the liteon 201AP as the burner but this time used DVD-R in the drive.

It completed as " PAL " again, so it does seem i do not suffer from this problem anymore ?? .... ( fingers crossed ). But its still bugging me to death ...lol :sad::sad:

I might re-great saying this but here goes ..... ALL IS FINE IN MY WORLD OF DNC BURNING ..... WHOOOOOOO !!!! :tounge::wink:

[Microburn]

Ok here is my final test tonight.:giggle:


I decided to go with a older tittle for the testing purpose.

I chose SPIDERMAN the first movie. I just did a full dvd back-up again with the liteon 201AP as the burner but this time used DVD-R in the drive.

It completed as " PAL " again, so it does seem i do not suffer from this problem anymore ?? .... ( fingers crossed ). But its still bugging me to death ...lol :sad::sad:

I might re-great saying this but here goes ..... ALL IS FINE IN MY WORLD OF DNC BURNING ..... WHOOOOOOO !!!! :tounge::wink:

thank you Mct for all of your testing today looks like zeb is the only one with this problem now but it does not make it easy to fix unless we have at least two testers with the same problem.

and the funny thing is there have been no reports form DNC except here on this issue that maybe because of the new Vista os and antivirus programs too but it does not explain your mixed results for now it is a total mystery.

Once Again Thank you very Much!!

have a wonder full night M8:wink:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Well I just tried with everything Internet wise disabled.
The result. OK rip, not much compression required (full disc). Very slow burn.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4558/sshot95wr1.png (http://imageshack.us)

[zebadee]

Ho Ho!
You want the result in terms of NTSC/PAL.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6982/sshot96on7.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Charlie]

So with just the internet off it came out PAL then?

[zebadee]

Hi :)
It appears that Avast & DNC have a problem. :naanaa:
I wonder if this is restricted to region 2 users. :question_mark:
At least it's an answer. :speak_cool:

[zebadee]

So with just the internet off it came out PAL then?

Hi :)
No. As I was going to disable Avast & SpywareTerminator. I disconnected from the internet.
It appears that Avast/DNC has a problem for region 2 users at least.

[Charlie]

I have yet to put an antivirus on my 64 bit vista. I just may try this, well when there is a testing that needs done as they are aware of the 64 bit issue and on it. Otherwise microburn or someone else using vista 32 bit can try it out and see.

[Microburn]

Hi :)
It appears that Avast & DNC have a problem. :naanaa:
I wonder if this is restricted to region 2 users. :question_mark:
At least it's an answer. :speak_cool:

there have been a few reports of Avast causing problems I tried it and had problems with it running with other programs as well as DNC your burn time should be much faster than that humm??

Mine on Vista with my pittling computer running the ultimate are under 6 minutes??:thinking: :thinking:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Tomorrow I shall try + media.
Also maybe try some other A/V too.
Thanks to all (especially McT) for the pointer re Avast.
I am amazed as I've used this since day one without any probs.

[Microburn]

Hi :)
Tomorrow I shall try + media.
Also maybe try some other A/V too.
Thanks to all (especially McT) for the pointer re Avast.
I am amazed as I've used this since day one without any probs.

Thank you for futhering the testing Zeb we all appreciate your help!!:speak_cool:

[Charlie]

I'm just glad we have two PAL mods to do the extreme in these sort of case scenarios. :)

[Microburn]

I'm just glad we have two PAL mods to do the extreme in these sort of case scenarios. :)

Me too as I have no way of testing these issues any more than you do!!:)

[Charlie]

Maybe the antivirus is made in the U.S.A. and is causing discs to be seen this way?:giggle:

[Microburn]

Maybe the antivirus is made in the U.S.A. and is causing discs to be seen this way?:giggle:

maybe its made by sony:giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Well the plot thickens as I can't get this program to write to DVD+R media.
I've no idea why. :confused:
I managed it once, but not only at the time was it NTSC but I had forgotten to bitset. Once I did bitset that was the end of that. Even reversing the bitsetting has no affect. :question_mark: :help: :naanaa:

[Charlie]

Can you compile a list of everything installed including version numbers, OS, ODD's and firmware for each. You can pass this info to me via email if you want as well.

Thanks

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
Tomorrow I shall try + media.
Also maybe try some other A/V too.
Thanks to all (especially McT) for the pointer re Avast.
I am amazed as I've used this since day one without any probs.

No worries mate. :wink: I have lost count the number of times you have helped me out in times of need. I owed you one. Micro re-jogged my mind about removing Avast as i forgot to mention it you.

But glad things are looking better.:tounge:



Hi :)
Well the plot thickens as I can't get this program to write to DVD+R media.
I've no idea why. :confused:
I managed it once, but not only at the time was it NTSC but I had forgotten to bitset. Once I did bitset that was the end of that. Even reversing the bitsetting has no affect. :question_mark: :help: :naanaa:


Well that celebration lasted long. :thinking::thinking: Only joking, this is a strange one. The results i did yesterday the H42, Pio 112L both bitsetted to ROM and it was ok. The DRU 830a did not and it also came out as PAL and played ok.??

I use a few programs you do and it seems to be compatible. Here is my list.

AWC , Spyware Term, Ad-aware se, A squared free, Norton 2007, ccleaner, O&O defrag, Everest prem, power DVD,

And thats pretty much it Zebs, well the ones worth mentioning anyway. I am sure we have hit the area to look at so now i think we will find the cause eventually. :tounge:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Just thought I'd put the nail in this coffin. :giggle:
I have managed (unintentionally) to get another authoring s/w to produce NTSC backup.
The interesting thing for me is the discovery that it only applies to the title chapter. The rest of the chapters are PAL.
It is some conflict with my protection s/w.
Avast somehow confuses format (NTSC/PAL).
SpywareTerminator manages to create problems with + media.
So I now disable the above s/w when burning with DNC.
Using some other s/w protection or going offline. :biggrin:

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
Just thought I'd put the nail in this coffin. :giggle:
I have managed (unintentionally) to get another authoring s/w to produce NTSC backup.
The interesting thing for me is the discovery that it only applies to the title chapter. The rest of the chapters are PAL.
It is some conflict with my protection s/w.
Avast somehow confuses format (NTSC/PAL).
SpywareTerminator manages to create problems with + media.
So I now disable the above s/w when burning with DNC.
Using some other s/w protection or going offline. :biggrin:


Thats very interesting Zebadee. :agree::agree:

So the tittle chapter is actually NTSC. ??? I thought it was just a reported error as i could not figure out how it could be changed. ??

I have another error. Any movie i burn with DNC will freeze anydvd up after i re-insert the disc into any drive. :thinking::thinking:
It just freezes it and does not open up and display the normal information box. I need to close anydvd to be able to scan or watch the tittle on the system.
I think spyware terminator could have a hand in this. I will disable it why i burn and see if this changes.

Many thanks for the info Zebs. :speak_cool:

[zebadee]

Hi :)
To be more precise it may be the leadin (rather than the actual chapter) misleading the player.
All I know is that on my standalone if I skip the 1st bit, then the backup plays OK (in PAL format). :rolleyes

[McstylisT]

Hi :)
To be more precise it may be the leadin (rather than the actual chapter) misleading the player.
All I know is that on my standalone if I skip the 1st bit, then the backup plays OK (in PAL format). :rolleyes


I understand Zeb's that makes sense.

Spyware terminator does cause a problem thought, as you mentioned. I usually have mine running from start up. But with the last post you made i decided to close it down and only use it manually.
The problem i described in my last post with anydvd not seeing any burned movie by DNC was solved by closing the program. My backups now pop up in anydvd as they should and they are all PAL.
So it could be a few things that cause these problems, but we now know that having Avast and spyware terminator active together is asking for trouble. :giggle::giggle:

[DisclordVHD]

I have one PAL DVD where the menu's and Warning screens are coded in NTSC, so from your experience, it sounds like quite a few titles have that - which I would consider faulty encoding on the studio's part. How do they know that every single player transcodes NTSC to PAL or that every television can receive true NTSC if the player DOESN'T transcode to PAL?

Multi-standard DVD players and monitors are much, much more common in the UK and Europe than they are in the USA - heck, until Plasma and LCD displays came along, basically no 'consumer-level' televisions could display anything other than standard NTSC with around 50 lines of color resolution. Most PAL sets (Free-to-air capable) only display around 80 lines of color... but that's a side-subject... Differing television "formats" are NOT something the vast majority of Americans are aware of. Heck, many Americans still complain about Widescreen and the "black bars", as if those are somehow giving them less of the original picture!

Luckily, the HD-DVD and BluRay formats are all basically "set" - 720P and 1080I/P - there ARE differing frame-rates - 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60, but ALL HD decoders, the world over, will handle all those rates or transcode automatically to the display monitor's native rate - so, with HD, differing world standards are a thing of the past. Well, there IS still America's Free-to-air ATSC (Grand Alliance) digital High-Def system that sends signals in a 6Mhz channel, and Japan has their system - but those are not 'delivery' formats like DVD or anything. We are not "stuck" to a television "broadcast" format anymore like we were with NTSC, PAL and SECAM as well as all their odd variations! Of course, NTSC was the most brilliant and technically successful compression format ever devised way back in 1953 and conceived in 1949! And look how long its served us well - and probably will for many, many more years.

[McstylisT]

I have one PAL DVD where the menu's and Warning screens are coded in NTSC, so from your experience, it sounds like quite a few titles have that - which I would consider faulty encoding on the studio's part. How do they know that every single player transcodes NTSC to PAL or that every television can receive true NTSC if the player DOESN'T transcode to PAL?

Multi-standard DVD players and monitors are much, much more common in the UK and Europe than they are in the USA - heck, until Plasma and LCD displays came along, basically no 'consumer-level' televisions could display anything other than standard NTSC with around 50 lines of color resolution. Most PAL sets (Free-to-air capable) only display around 80 lines of color... but that's a side-subject... Differing television "formats" are NOT something the vast majority of Americans are aware of. Heck, many Americans still complain about Widescreen and the "black bars", as if those are somehow giving them less of the original picture!

Luckily, the HD-DVD and BluRay formats are all basically "set" - 720P and 1080I/P - there ARE differing frame-rates - 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60, but ALL HD decoders, the world over, will handle all those rates or transcode automatically to the display monitor's native rate - so, with HD, differing world standards are a thing of the past. Well, there IS still America's Free-to-air ATSC (Grand Alliance) digital High-Def system that sends signals in a 6Mhz channel, and Japan has their system - but those are not 'delivery' formats like DVD or anything. We are not "stuck" to a television "broadcast" format anymore like we were with NTSC, PAL and SECAM as well as all their odd variations! Of course, NTSC was the most brilliant and technically successful compression format ever devised way back in 1953 and conceived in 1949! And look how long its served us well - and probably will for many, many more years.


Very interesting mate, great info. :agree::agree: :speak_cool:

Cheers,

McT

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Having installed Vista Ultimate 64 bit on my PC.
I decided to have another go with DNC &+ media.
When I last tried some time ago it had got to the point that - media was OK. But not if burn speed was>16x.
With media it just didn't go anywhere.
So with just the basics I tried again today.
The rip/compression was around 10 mins. About what I was expecting & a typical time for the original dis on my setup with other s/w.
The writing as Iha left it at max should have been upto 20x. But took around 15 mins.
This was progress.
Unfortunately although the disc has the right amount of data on i. It appears to be unaccessable.
On the good news front this is progress. Of a sort.:agree::giggle:

[Charlie]

LOL I really wished I knew the issue here, there is 20x burn speed issues and will/are getting addressed along with a few other things too.

[zebadee]

Hi :)
With - media @ 20x. It still takes around 15 mins. But usually playable.
If 16 x selected it takes just over 6 mins.
But the + media I have been trying is 'fake' MCC 004. :giggle:
So I wasn't expecting too much will try again @ lower speed.
Later in week.
N.B. Even with another s/w it failed at the last minute.

[Charlie]

Thanks for the clarification zebadee.

[Microburn]

Hi :)
With - media @ 20x. It still takes around 15 mins. But usually playable.
If 16 x selected it takes just over 6 mins.
But the + media I have been trying is 'fake' MCC 004. :giggle:
So I wasn't expecting too much will try again @ lower speed.
Later in week.
N.B. Even with another s/w it failed at the last minute.

Interesting zeb I have problems with 15 minute burns on all of my dvd ram drives if I use my sony 18x non ram drive and leave it at max my burn times are around 5.5 minutes I will set the burn speed to 16X with the same media you are using and see what happens with my 20x ram drives good findings Zeb thanks!!:speak_cool:

[Charlie]

I will set the burn speed to 16X with the same media you are using and see what happens with my 20x ram drives good findings Zeb thanks!!:speak_cool:

That will be interesting as I don't think you have blank media with fake MCC codes on it do you?

[Microburn]

no but I will pick another good media code that the drive only reads as 16x capable that should be okay worth a shot to narrow down this 15 minute burn bug LOL

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Even with genuine MCC, it strugles @ 18x. let alone 20x.
I suggest using 16x max for MCC with current f/w.
The fact that DNC completed the burn. When another top s/w couldn't says something about DNC.
Even if neither burn was usable. :tounge:

[Microburn]

Hi :)
Even with genuine MCC, it strugles @ 18x. let alone 20x.
I suggest using 16x max for MCC with current f/w.
The fact that DNC completed the burn. When another top s/w couldn't says something about DNC.
Even if neither burn was usable. :tounge:

good point I will try in a little bit to see if it brings my burn times down to 5 minutes instead of 15 minutes LOL:)

[Charlie]

LOL now that's funny but irritating too.

[Microburn]

irritating mostly I would suppose!!:thinking: